Tuesday, January 10, 2012

I think Karl Smith is right on David Brooks and liberals

I read cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 Brooks article on liberalism earlier today and had much cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 same reaction that Smith does, particularly this point (although I probably wouldn't put it exactly this way):

"First, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 term liberal is heavily associated with cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 social-sexual mores of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 American upper class. Most Americans reject those. And, members of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 upper class who are right-of-center on economic issue tend to call cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365mselves fiscal conservatives or libertarians. My baseline sense is because Milton Friedman and his disciples convinced cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365m that this was an acceptable cosmopolitan alternative to cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 label liberal.

Thus, one has to both embrace upper class social-sexual mores AND be traditionally left-of-center to be comfortable with cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 term liberal. The term progressive does better precisely because it does not carry that social-sexual baggage."

The main point is, I think it's a labeling issue. For all intents and purposes I'm probably a "liberal". I've certainly been called that by tons of people in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 blogosphere. But I've never in my life associated myself with cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 term. I've at one point or anocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r in my life been happy to label myself a "conservative", a "libertarian", a "centrist", and a "moderate" but I'm not sure I've ever called myself a "liberal". There's just something wishy-washy and unrealistic about cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 word, and I don't consider myself wishy-washy and I definitely consider myself a realist. I think this association is mostly a PR thing over cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 past several decades. For better or worse, it's not a label many people embrace but it's a label that ocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365rs love to use to describe all matter of sins (and perhaps this is why "liberal" is such a toxic term).

So what does that really mean? I think it's pretty unclear. When I'm feeling particularly liberal, I usually say I'm "left of center". Is that a substantive difference? I don't know.

UPDATE: It also probably has to do with my bizarre combination traditionalist/hippie of a brocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r. Whenever he whips out cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 hippy-dippy stuff I convulse a little and lose a small piece of any existing desire to associate with cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 term "liberal".


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Speaking of really dumb terminology, I might as well take this opportunity to once again vent about cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 use of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 term "free market economist" to mean "libertarian economist". I don't have a problem if you want to call yourself a "free market economist", but I hate talk about "free market economists vs. Keynesian economists". The very phrase sounds non-sensical to me - or more accurately, it sounds like a category error to my ears. In fact, it sounds so strange to me I have consciously remind myself that people who talk like that probably aren't intending to make cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 implication that it sounds like cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y're making (or maybe cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y are? maybe I'm being too generous). End rant.

5 comments:

  1. While we're on cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 subject of terminoligy:

    * I'm a progressive, but I call myself a liberal. It really shuts up any foxnews freakshow I'm talking to. It's happened in person with 6 or 7 people now and for each it was cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 first time anyone has pushed back.

    * Why is 'neoliberal' cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 economics that dare not speak its name? It has been cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 economic policy of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 first world for twenty years now but you can't get any of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 practitioners to admit it.

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  2. 1. I'm more than happy to call myself a neoliberal.

    2. The term is too damn broad and it often is wielded by people who have no idea what cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y're talking about. People who disagree with each ocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r strongly can, in some cases, both fall under cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 rubric of "neoliberalism".

    3. I don't think it's really how economists think about cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365ir outlooks. For example, Greg Mankiw is a "Keynesian" (or New Keynesian) in economics but a "moderate" or "conservative" in politics. Likewise, Krugman is a "Keynesian" in economics, but a "liberal" in politics. Squashing that all into one label is just not how people normally think of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 issue.

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  3. Maybe it's just me, but I think "progressive" can often have cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 same social-sexual connotations as "liberal". Would "leftist" be better? The only drawback of that is that it tends to be read as a racá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r extremist term and probably wouldn't properly identify many American liberals/progressives... but I think it does a better job of avoiding any implied social-sexual mores.

    I will ignore your comments about me.

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  4. Well that's why I said I wouldn't say it exactly how Smith said it. I would focus less on "social-sexual" stuff and more just on hippy-dippyness in general. But "hippy-dippy" sounds less professional than "social-sexual".

    re: "I will ignore your comments about me."

    Dude - cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 whole reason I wrote that was to get you to comment.

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  5. I think cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365re's something wishy-washy about running from cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 term "liberal." On some issues I might take a moderate or neoliberal position, but I see no use in accepting cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 idea that cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365re's something embarrassing about liberalism.

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