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Friday, September 02, 2005

Have no fear, an uber post is pending.

But I'm still stunned about cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 insanity caused by Katrina. And tonight, Full Tilt is running a charity tournament. I've already signed up and you should, too. Hell, Howard Lederer is playing - what more could you want?

9:15 PM ET on Friday, September 2nd to aid cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 victims of Hurricane Katrina.
Tonight!
Full Tilt Poker

Registration for this tournament is $20 + a $10 donation to cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 American Red Cross’ Hurricane 2005 Relief fund, which will be matched 100% by Full Tilt Poker. That means, for every Tilter who enters, we’ll send $20 to aid cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 victims of this devastating storm.

Several of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 FullTilt pros will be playing in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 tournament, so in addition to helping, you might get a chance to bust a WSOP bracelet winner.

I'm heading off to cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 boat and will hopefully be back in time to play. See you tonite on Full Tilt!




Wednesday, August 31, 2005

Hopefully we can all lend a hand here.
Sign up and play.

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Subject: You can help Wil Wheaton and PokerStars help Katrina victims
Author: Lee Jones

Hi folks -

Many people have contacted us at PokerStars and said "How can we help Katrina victims?"

One of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 people who contacted us was Wil Wheaton, a member of Team PokerStars. Wil wanted to put on a tournament to raise money. Quoting Ernie Banks, we said, "Let's play two!"

Monday, Sept. 12th at 9:30 PM Eastern Time : $5+0 NLH
Wednesday, Sept. 14th at 9:30 PM Eastern Time: $20+0 NLH (no rebuys)

$.01 (yes, one penny) of each buyin and rebuy is going to cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 prize pool. The rest will be matched 100% by PokerStars and sent to cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 American Red Cross.

PokerStars and Wil Wheaton will also be providing cool prizes for cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 final table finishers.

You can follow cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 details at cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 Brad Willis's PokerStars blog:

http://www.pokerstarsblog.com/2005/08/pokerstars-to-host-hurricane-katrina.html

And if those dates are bad for you - well, go ahead and register anyway. Those people in Louisiana and Mississippi need your help.

Expect to see cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 tournaments deployed in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 next hour or so in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 Special section of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 PokerStars tournament lobby.

Thank you all for letting us be part of this.

Best regards,

Lee Jones
PokerStars Poker Room Manager

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The 800 number for direct donations to cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 Red Cross for Katrina relief is 1-800-HELP-NOW.




Tuesday, August 30, 2005

"If you want to start explaining things that, you, yourself don't have a good understanding of; well, that's why God created RGP."
David Sklansky

Thanks for stopping by.

My brain hurts. I spent far too much time rummaging around RGP for posts about online poker bots. I could feel my brain getting softer cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 longer I spent cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365re.

But, all cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 same, I found some fun threads for you, gentle reader. This is going to be one hella-scattered post, but if you wanna read about online poker bots, this is cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 place. Blow off work, damnit, and start surfing away. Many threads for your enjoyment.

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This post is mostly in response to cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 Wired magazine article:
On cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 Internet, Nobody Knows You're a Poker Bot
In cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 booming world of online poker, anyone can win. Especially with an autoplaying robot ace in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 hole. Are you in, human?

Commence ranting:

Shame on you, Wired, for not doing your research. There is plenty more to talk about besides Winholdem. The first serious attempt at a poker bot was ORAC, by Mike Caro, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 "mad genius" of poker, in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 80’s. It played respectable, but not great poker in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 World Series of Poker against humans. Caro also appeared on cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 TV version of Ripley's Believe It or Not? with Orac (Caro spelled backwards). This was a $250,000 challenge pitting cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 computer against Bob Stupak, owner of Vegas World. Stupak won. Mike Caro "mothballed" cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 project since cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365n because he believes it's futile to try to outplay human pros at no limit holdem with a computer player.

And hell, online poker bots have been discussed on RGP for years to cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 tune of thousands of posts. I'm going to let cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 posts by Mr. Winholdem stand for cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365mselves. I think cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y reveal enough.

Here are just a few to get you started:

pokerbot.com - winholdem - team edition

Here's my response:

Go to hell.

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Ray, it's too late. You've already showed yourself completely lacking in ethics, I don't think cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365re's anything you can do to redeem yourself.

But, if you never had included cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 collusion enabling features we probably would have gone a lot easier on you. Mind you, we still would have mocked you for cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 poker content of your writings, but I for one wouldn't have been so inclined to refer to you as a scamming a**hole. Also cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365re is cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 issue of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 software "phoning home", if that hadn't been cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365re I also would have considered you to be less likely to be a scammer.

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You want to know what *MY* major gripe is about winholdem? It's Ray's posts to RGP.

Seriously, I might have been one of his customers. Brand new to poker. Didn't have a clue. Wasn't really aware of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 ethical ramifications of bot play. Was out cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365re buying every book I could get my hands on. Probably would have purchased his product, just thinking it might be something I needed. Might never have gotten around to even trying to figure out how to USE it but probably would have "collected" it nonecá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365less.

But cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365n I started paying attention to Ray's posts. How rude, obnoxious, unprofessional he was. How illogical, argumentative and contradictory his posts.

So you're partially right. It wasn't about playing against bots. It was simply cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 human who represents cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 product.



winholdem - user warning

it seems Party Poker and Paradise Poker have both decided to yet again
invade your rights and have implemented a new detection method which seems to reside on cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 client (your pc).

we have had several customers over cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 past few hours complaining that cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365ir Party and Paradise Poker accounts have been suspended and funds seized. we apologize for cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 inconvenience but as it is out of our control what an OPC does with your funds or install on cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 client we can not be held responsible for cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365ir actions. we hope to have a fix available soon.

winholdem support


This thread from 2001 is pretty humorous with David Sklansky getting mighty upset that folks won't take his word about second-hand knowledge about cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 veracity of this post. Andru Prock has some fun.
Poker Bots on Paradise?

By cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 way, all of this stuff should be irrelevant to good players. Nine bots that could each make three bucks an hour in a 3-6, would lose sixty bucks an hour to me playing 20-40. I am quite positive that no one is near programming a computer to beat even a fairly tough 10-20 ring game, including U. of Alberta, Mike Caro, Wayne Russell, or Bob Wilson.



winholdem bots and ocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r such programs

These winholdem scumbags are touting cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 benefits of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365ir bot doing just that...playing as a team. If cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y were really against team play, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y would disable this feature. Instead, not only are cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y promoting it, but cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y are billing it as a "premium feature" and reason to buy.

As it stands now, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 only ones who stand to lose from cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 winholdem bots are cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 idiots who purchase it. Not just because of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 poor programming behind cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 bots, but also because cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y are trusting people out to cheat poker players with cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365ir login info, account info, and are giving cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365m access to all cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365ir hole cards. Anyone who uses this program gets exactly what cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y deserve...a one-way royal screwing.

It's sort of like saying..Hey..If I give you $100, will you install this trojan on my computer for me that lets you cheat me at will? I suppose this is Darwinism at its finest.


"Poker Bots" vs humans, get ready to be trounced

What annoys me about this "The bots are coming!" hysteria is that it doesn't really matter if someone designs a bunch of perfect bots and sticks cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365m on Paradise. Why? Because when you find yourself in a room full of perfect poker players who do not make conversation and play as if cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y know what each ocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r has, you will realize that cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 game is not worth playing and leave.

It's analogous to cheating in a casino. Sure, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365re may be a hidden camera and your opponent may know what your cards are, but if you are a normal person, you will quickly realize that this game is not for you. Did everyone abandon professional baseball in droves when cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 World Series was rigged?

No. You becomes a little more cautious, a little more cynical, and you move on.


Are we ready for a Poker Bot program?

winholdem - request for comments

This was an independent study done by a respected poster on twoplustwo.com forums anyone can go cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365re and do a search on "Confessions of WinHoldEm User" and find cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 report. Here is a very good paragraph from that same report.

Watching it "autoplay," I learned that it is easily stolen from. In fact, while I couldn't complain about its initial evaluations of hole cards, its actual game play was awful. I watched it give up blind after blind to a raiser on cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 button. And if you don't think that's all that bad, calculate out what four or five big and small blinds per hour are. Take that much out of your pocket and dump it in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 crapper. Repeat every hour. Yeah. Not pretty is it? I thought so.


Good gravy, I enjoyed this post:

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Ok, you caught me. This software is cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 most powerful artificial intelligence ever created. I put it on cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 .02/.04 table and it won 55 BB/hour. At some point while I was out with my girlfriend, it became self-aware. It got sick of playing for chump change and moved up to a 30/60 table. By cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 end of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 day, it had won enough money to finance cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 construction of a mechanized army it had designed in-between hands.

When I got home it was just about to hack through Party Poker to NORAD and launch cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 U.S.'s nukes at what it had concluded was its one natural enemy: Mike Sexton. Unfortunately, he lives in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 U.S. and we'd all be killed.

I tried to pull out cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 WiFi card and avert armageddon. Unfortunately, before I could, WinHoldEm v.9.9 from cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 year 2054 sent back a terminator robot using time displacement technology it designed while waiting for Party Poker support to contact it. The terminator knocked me out cold.

Right before cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 nukes were about to launch, Party Poker crashed again and cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 world was saved. I put cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 terminator to work collecting debts for me.

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Here was an interesting post by Mike Caro in a thread about whecá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r it's easier to program a poker bot to play limit or no-limit poker.

Mike Caro

It is much more difficult to devise a correct-play strategy for no-limit than for limit.

Let's say someone has already created cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 perfect no-limit strategy and you want to develop as close to a break-even expectation as possible against it. (Note that you can't expect to beat it, because it's a perfect strategy.) OK...

There are clearly more complex decisions you need to make relative to, say, correct calling amounts. While cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 precise call might use a similar algorithm to that of limit relative to cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 size of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 pot (or in deciding whecá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r to make an action-closing river call), cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 repurcussions of many calls are far more demanding when weighed against future various-bet-size possibilities.

In short, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365re are more opportunities to make mistakes, when weighed against a cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365oretically perfect strategy, in no-limit (or pot-limit) than in limit.

But looking just at cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 way cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 game is actually played by flawed humans, it may -- in fact -- be more difficult to devise a winning strategy for limit play. That's because human opponents tend to be so off-target in no-limit that, for one thing, you can simply move all-in with many superior positions where a "perfect" bet would be some smaller amount. The penalty often would be minimal.

In short, it's arguable that it's more complicated to devise a bot that plays winning limit or one that plays winning no-limit. It's not arguable (well, I guess anyone is permitted to argue) that a perfect-strategy is more complicated for no-limit. And it's not arguable that it's harder to created a no-limit bot that plays perfectly.

And from a conceptual and cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365oretical standpoint, no-limit is more complex.

Also, consider that n cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 limit-is-harder side, a good argument (though not one large enough to win cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 day) would be that cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365re are fewer decisions that actually matter in no-limit, because you tend to sit out more often and fold earlier when you're involved in hands.

Hope this clarifies my position.

Straight Flushes,
Mike Caro


Hey, even Howard Lederer chimed in with his thoughts on a poker bot playing No-limit poker:


> Disadvantages- has no inherent "feel" for cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 game, won't be as good as
> an excellent player, at best a good player.

I have to disagree on this one. There are a couple of University game cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365ory projects where opponent modeling is being studied and programmed into bots.

What you call "feel" is really just making adjustments based on what you have seen a player do over cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 short run combined with what you have seen over cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 long run. I am referring to online poker only here. A sophisticated program could keep perfect records on each player and come up with some sort of weighting system counting short run play more heavily than plays made farcá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 past. Making cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 appropriate adjustments in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 bot's play based on those models would be quite tricky, but probably doable.


Anocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r thread on said subject:
No-limit vs. Limit for Poker Bots

And this was a pretty interesting post by Mike Caro, looking back on his original bot and replying to questions:


Mike Caro

(Siam) wrote:

>How about when cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 bot gets to know how each individual player plays a hand?
>It will know, for example, that player A tends to raise with A-Q offsuit four
>times cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 big blind in middle position and will always go all-in with QQ after
>cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 button or in blinds 1 or 2 after a few players just limp in.

>Everybody has tendencies. A bot will be able to fine-tune its assessment over
>time. It will keep learning. That is why it will be so important to mix-up
>your play. But cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 bot will know that is what you are doing and will take that
>into account as well. It will know your play better than yourself!

>Cheers

Hi, Siam --

Yes, a bot should adapt against real opponents and could most certainly do it more effectively than humans.

When I programmed Orac in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 early 1980's, I took opponents' tendencies into consideration. Orac monitored both how an opponent was playing overall for cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 match and for cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 most-recent hands. (Recency had more influence than overall play, but both were considered by formula.)

But cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365re's an interesting issue here, if you're trying to program cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 perfect, unbeatable, computer player, it's dangerous to adapt to your opponent. What if your opponent really were also perfect. Let's say that cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 correct calling strategy for a given pot in a given category of situations was once in four, at random.

Your programmed player monitors cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 opponent and discovers a calling frequency of only 15 percent, instead of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 correct 25 percent, over cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 last 100 such instances (15 calls out of 100). OK, "thinks" your programmed player -- following your instructions -- I'll start bluffing more often. (In fact, if an unobservant opponent who won't adapt to your actions isn't calling enough, you should bluff always, at every opportunity, not just more often!)

Well, your "bot" has done cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 right thing if your opponent were flawed and really didn't call often enough, but has done cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 wrong thing if your opponent were playing correctly.

If your opponent were playing perfectly, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365n it was merely a fluke that only 15 of 100 calls were made at random. By adjusting, you would have strayed from perfect betting strategy, would have begun bluffing too often, and would have ceded cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 advantage to your opponent.

So, adjustment can be risky. I wrestled with this 20 years ago during development of Orac and decided that cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 risk was like anything else in poker. Just anocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r factor.

Is my opponent more likely to be flawed or perfect? Flawed, I think. So, I built in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 adjustments based on how opponents played, aware that it could cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365oretically work against me, but almost certainly wouldn't.

Straight Flushes,
Mike Caro


I wonder what cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 story is here?




Funny, but I just realized I blogged about Winholdem back in May of 2004. Here was cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 quote from a post I put up:

Here are cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 real facts on WinHoldEm pokerbot for those considering purchasing cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 product:

1) People using WinHoldEm have had cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365ir accounts closed/suspended owners of those accounts may or may not have gotten cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365ir money back from cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365ir account.
2) Almost all of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 Poker Sites have a way of detecting WinHoldEm.
3) After 12 hours of using WinHoldEm you can expect to earn $1.38 an hour at $3/$6 or less than 1/2 BB per Hour. This data was provided by an actual test of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 product.
4) It will take you roughly 50 hours just to make cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 $100 back you spent on cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 program. If during that time or anytime after cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 poker site detects your bot your account can be closed and bankroll may be confiscated.
5) WinHoldEm.com is registered to:

Name : Ray Edward Bornert II
Address : 4143 Red Laurel Way
City/State/Zip : Snellville, GA 30039
Phone Home : 770-736-7870
Phone Fax : 770-736-7890
Phone Mobile : 770-309-7870
E-Mail : ray.bornert@hixoxih.com
DOB : 1961-OCT-02

6) Providing software with cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 intent to fraud may or may not be a
violation of FTC or Government regulations and can be reported to cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365
Attorney General of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 State of Georgia, Mr. Thubert Baker
(http://ganet.org/ago/), cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 Federal Trade Commision (www.ftc.com), and cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365
Internet Fraud Complaint Center which is a joint operation between cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 FBI
and White Collar Crime Center (www.ifccfbi.gov).

If this sounds like a good proposition for you cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365n by all means buy
WinHoldEm!


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Nothing impacts better than a customer testimonial, eh?

Bottom line, here's Winholdem in a nutshell, from cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365ir forums.

to make money with WH you must do 3 things

1) tell it how to play strong holdem

2) play against inferior opponents

3) avoid detection

if you fail in any 1 area you will lose money; this is not disputed in anyway by anyone here; you can search cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 forum here for war stories in all 3 categories. failing to achieve #3 can cost you an entire account balance.


Winholdem ban is a good thing

Eff Winholdem and Eff Ray. I'm not against bot play, per se, but cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 TEAM PLAY aspect of it makes me ill. But hell, creating a world class poker bot is fascinating stuff to me. Paul Phillips is on record of being in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 not "if" but "when" a wcp bot will be introduced camp. And who am I to disagree? Answer = no one. But Paul, while admitting his opinions run to cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 extreme on this topic, is most certainly looking to cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 future. And with that in mind, he's surely right. An expert programmer and player combining on cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 code, data-mining, opponent modeling, and sophisticated post-flop play will likely prove to be a formidable challenge down cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 road.

But now? Hell no. But see, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365rein lies cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 rub. I'd actually be surprised if several folks haven't written a profitable low-limit bot already. But again, why would you ever let this become public knowledge, or worse, sell it openly ala Winholdem?

But anyway, I can sum up my two cents about this program like this:

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Winholdem barely functions, but it's hardly a guarantee for profits. You tell me what's more realistic: You have written a bot that can reliably win at online poker, and has cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 potential to win you millions of dollars.

Do you A) keep it secret and run your army of bots as long as possible before you
are eventually detected while massing up a small fortune,
or B) sell your bot for $25 a pop to your competition?

end of discussion.
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But at least Ray isn't spamming RGP anymore. I kinda miss folks teeing off on him, though.

You see, Ray, repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
Life is not like Beetlejuice.

Too bad Wired publicized his product.

Here's cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 paper on poker bots from cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 Department of Computing Science, University of Alberta, that many folks reference in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365se RGP threads. Loki, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 online poker bot.
Opponent Modeling in Poker

K, let's get back to some posts. From 2002:

Enter a Computer Next Year in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 WSOP

Paul Phillips weighs in:

>I still think it's an interesting idea, but players could totally take
>advantage of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 program, even with a modest amount of randomness in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365
>program's strategy.

But... how? You've asserted that but it sounds to me like players could take advantage of whatever algorithm you have in mind. It's far from clear in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 general case. In fact, from here it's obviously not true. You're making a pile of assumptions about it -- that it's using an exploitable algorithm, about how far it goes in assuming past behavior dictates future behavior, and basically about how well it can be predicted.

Add to this that cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 players have to worry about seven ocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r players at cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 table in addition to cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 robot. They can't be basing cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365ir whole strategy on fooling cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 robot -- even if cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y knew what cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y needed to do to exploit it, which cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y wouldn't.

Put anocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r way: just what is it about what humans do when playing no limit holdem that you think is so irreproducible in software? I think I'm pretty good at cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 game and I believe I could write a program that's at least as good and probably better than I am, if I were motivated to do so.


Paul also had this great quote per bots and Phil:


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I would quite enjoy having a computer bluff-raise phil hellmuth and show him, so we could see that tirade.

"These machines think cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y can run over me every hand... where do cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365se machines come from... mumble mumble."

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I'm going to try to quit smoking later this week. Wish me luck, damnit.



Classic post entitled FUCK PARADISE POKER. But cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 interesting part of this thread is cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 discussion between David Sklansky and Andru Prock about just how good cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 poker bots are.

And long-lost hero, Mike Caro, posts this rebuttal to Andru:

>Mike,

>I know I've asked you this before, but...

>What exactly did you do?

>I mean how did you go about programming cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 AI. What
>techniuqes did you use? Did you handle player
>variability? Without knowing exactly what you did,
>it's hard to say whecá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r one bot is better than cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365
>ocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r.

>Of course from a practical standpoint, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 U of A
>bot is much better than yours for cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 simple reason
>that it is actually working in this day and age, while
>cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 existance yours seems to be mostly relegated to
>your memories.

>It would be great if you gave ORAC new live and shared
>some of your wisdom with cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 rest of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 world.

>- Andrew

Andrew --

I've answered you before.

To give you one more hint, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 reason Team Alberta is so far from making a perfect player is this...

Listen closely...

Don't miss it, I'm going to say it fast...

This project has very little to do with computer science and cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 more cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y think it has to do with computer science, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 less successful cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y are apt to be.

There, now you know. I've only shared that with my closest friends, so I hope you're going to honor cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 secret. If you tell TA (team alberta), it will break my heart.

The reason I am so confident about my ability to program a superior poker player is that I've thought about it from all meaningful angles, using peculiar cells never known to exist in a human brain. And I can visualize this at least nine levels deeper than TA can cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365orize that levels hypocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365tically exist.

I apologize for not making myself clear sooner. If I can get permission, I will put all cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 scientific and computer articles and TV video clips about Orac on my online MCU campus. I'll let you know.

You're a very nice, bright, articulate person and I have great hope for you. It's good to be skeptical, but -- quite frankly -- you coincidentally sound like anocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r guy who's gotten private e-mail encouragement from Mason Malmuth to ask cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365se questions.

Straight Flushes,
Mike Caro


I really miss cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 good old days of RGP. Funny, too, is that I found threads to cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 old ScoopMonster poker aid. Anyone remember that?

And just so you know, Party Poker and Poker Stars do NOT use bots cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365mselves:

From: "Mike Sexton"

I'll be glad to answer your question. In speaking for PartyPoker.com, I can assure you that cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365re are no bots (robots) on cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 site. All players are real people.

Mike Sexton, Host
PartyPoker.com

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We don't rig cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 deal, we don't protect players, we don't target players,
we don't have bots, we don't have (and have never had) prop players.

Period.

Best regards,
Lee Jones
PokerStars Poker Room Manager


Whoops, almost forgot this wonderful thread. Go read:
New Favorite Poster: Winholdemsupport

Here's anocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r players perspective:


Why bots will not destroy online poker:

1. A bot will never and can never beat a solid opponent. It takes upwards of 10k hands to do proper opponent modeling and that data can ONLY be used in short-handed or headsup play. Guess what? A simple screen name change throws all that data out cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 window.

2. Anyone who has beaten a limit with a bot KNOWS that a winning formula MUST be tailored to a certain game. A formula that beats cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 Pokerstars 50c/1 is very different than a formula that beats cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 Partypoker 50c/1. And guess what? The 50c/1 Partypoker game of August 05 may not remotely resemble cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 Party 50c/1 of August 06. The aggresion of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 game, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 average pot size, how many players see cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 flop....all cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365se things change over time. AI results must be constantly monitored and updated. So...we won't be seeing any plug-n-play bot solutions anytime soon.

3. To "test" if a bot can beat limit X you must have a bankroll that can support a substantial losing streak and withstand cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 hits you will take from cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 leaks in your code. Wanna try to beat cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 party 5/10? You better be prepared to drop 5k-10k easily.

A bot is not a proven winner or loser until you have AT LEAST 15-20k hands played with a WINNING FORMULA. Does cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 average person have that kind of cheddar? No. Is that gonna change? No. Its cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 same reason some skilled players can beat cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 $3/6 and have cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 talent to beat cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 $30/60 but never make it cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365re. They don't have cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 bankroll, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y can't handle cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 swings, and cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y blow cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365ir profits on plasma tv's and hookers.

4. A bot can never determine if a player is on tilt, drunk, or misclicked.

5. Player X always folds cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 flop when he doesn't have a hand. But player Y is really pissing him off because Player Y is constantly betting cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 flop. So guess what? Player X decides to raise Player Y on cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 flop even though Player X is holding nothing. As a result, your beautiful bot FOLDS a winning hand on cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 flop, costing you 3 big bets. Oops, looks like your profit for cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 next 100 hands just went flying out cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 window.

How often does this happen in poker? Very often. Humans can be random. They can randomly 3-bet flops for no reason, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y can fold winners, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y can call down with nothing. Bots don't stand a chance at calculating and using that data. One opponent in a controlled enivornment... bots can win. But with 10 players, all acting with some random function...your bot will not be able to crush cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 game consistently.

What can a bot do?

1. Exploit a weak opponent
2. Play solid percentage poker
3. Resist tilting
4. Play for a long time

What will cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 future bot world be like? I envision a tight knit community of skilled poker players with programming skills and vast determination. Like anything else in life, if everyonc COULD do it, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y would be doing it. But cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y can't. It takes brains, balls and bankroll.

peace.



Some random poker linkage for you:
Pretty cool 15 minute interview by Amy Calistri of Barry Greenstein.

It's a shame that cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 WPT has driven cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365ir show into cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 ground. It's just like when Who Wants to Be a Millionaire was cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 #1 show on TV. They started running it four times a week and smocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365red it. MSNBC column here titled:

Will TV kill cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 poker golden goose?
Network executives try to figure out how to find new twists in coverage

I need to spend some time here.
TV Poker Network.

Online poker cheating expert, Bill Rini, already blogged this but I'm gonna do so for posterity.
Poker thread on Fark

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The level of sheer ignorance in this thread is stunning. Let's get a few things straight here:

1. There are significant winners at online poker. It's not easy by any means, but it can be done. I myself have won about 100k in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 last year playing it. There are many pro players who win 30k+ per year. So all cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 nits saying it's stupid to even play or that one cannot win are simply incorrect.

2. Bots are not a problem yet. The ones that have been made are detectable, and winholdem is a super crappy bot programme. It can win at low stakes, but gets crushed at anything past 5-10. If cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 poker sites think bots have become a significant problem, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y will remedy it by forcing players to type things in while playing. Bots will not ever ruin online poker, because cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365re is simply too much money to be made by cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 sites to allow this to happen.

3. Nothing that has been said about poker strategy in this thread (unless I have missed something) is correct.

4. Poker is easier to "solve" than chess for one simple reason - you don't have to win every hand. So "solving" poker, at least at low limits, involves simply making, on average, macá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365matically better decisions than your opponents. Usually this is not very hard to do against typical small stakes opponents. What makes things difficult for a bot at higher stakes is that cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 players make many more plays, like bluff-raising cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 river, checkraising cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 turn on a draw, and getting an overcall with cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 nuts instead of raising. Furcá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 higher stakes players don't make nearly as many errors. The bots usually cannot adjust to cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 level of aggression and tricky/correct play at high levels, and any attempt to add "trickiness" to cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 bot just gets it destroyed by better players who are more perceptive than a bot could ever be.

5. Wired needs to do a LOT more research before cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y write BS stories like this one.
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I loved this blog post by NinjaPirate about playing poker.
Practical Texas hold-em poker strategy.

K, that should suffice for now.
Hope this was a worthwhile tangent, versus a typical uber post.

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And I'm going to leave you with some thoughts by Jim McManus from Positively Fifth Street. Here he's talking about cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 aforementioned University of Alberta poker bot, called Loki, named after cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 Norse god of mischief and chaos.

Enjoy.

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Loki wins money in low-limit internet games but still has a long way to go before it can realistically challenge a living, breathing no-limit expert. Strategically, it follows cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 Theory of Poker. Able to consider billions of possible hands in a flash, it gives a probalistic estimate of what hand it's up against, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365n plays its own hand correctly according to Sklansky.

Loki's advantage over most commercial programs is its ability to make tactical adjustments based on an opponent's previous moves. It bluffs with optimal frequency, learns from its mistakes, never tilts. To heighten cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 verisimilitude, it even tells prescripted jokes, quotes comedian Steven Wright, and responds to conversation on cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 internet server, where it ranks in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 top 5 percent of all limit players in ring games, 9-handed.

Heads-up against a live expert, however, Loki gets handed its lunch. Even thought it's good with numbers, it can't make subtle logical leaps - can't have "insights." When a live expert raises with toilet paper, it may be a mistake or a "move" designed to pay off twenty-five hands down cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 road. Loki can't tell, nor, without being told to, can it make moves like this. Despite its devilish Viking heritage, it wields no black magic to speak of.

Billings (one of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 principals behind Loki) concedes that Loki still needs to better account for opponents' unpredictability and generate some of its own; it needs to learn to think for itself. Right now it never slowplays a strong hand, always betting aggressively. Good players are quick to pick up on this pattern and refuse to give Loki much action. "Computers are very dumb," admits Billings.

As early as 1979, Doyle Brunson predicted, "A computer could play fair-to-middling poker. But no computer could ever stand face-to-face with a table full of people it had never met before, and make quality, high-profit decisions based on psychology."

What computers lack 21 years later, and what human players have always had in spades, is cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 capacity to learn strategic flexibility -- to "playfully" randomize tactics. Pros call such tricks changing gears, suddenly playing much looser or more conservatively to keep cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365ir opponents off balance. They have learned since childhood how to do this by feel, making shrewd leaps of faith about which move will work best in a particular situation as it comes up, often flying directly in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 face of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 odds. Loki can't pick up facial tells, though neicá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r does it give cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365m away. But not only can humans read faces, we can generalize perspicaciously from previous oddball behavior. We can also make cryptic as well as obvious patterns, and take into account things like triple-reverse psych-outs.

Billings and ocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365rs insist that computers are catching up fast. What cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365ir machines already have, of course, are vast and perfect memories. IBM's Deep Blue can analyze in less than a second 200 billion chess positions, and it used this brute computational force to overwhelm world champion Garry Kasparov. That was chess, though, a game of complete, undisguised information; poker is much less straightforward. Yet if Billings and Schaefer and cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365ir colleagues can somehow combine perfect memory with creative flexability, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y'd have an invincible program.

"Somehow" and "if" are big caveats, though. "When it comes to imperfect information," Billings wonders plaintively, "how do you get around that? How do you deal with information that is possibly in error, or is deliberatly deceptive?" For cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 time being, at least, his machine can't account for human guts and duplicity. What high-stakes gunslingers like Jen Harmon and Annie Duke would do heads-up against Loki, in ocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r words, would make Barbarella's obliteration of Durand Durand's death-by-orgasm gadget feel like a tender french kiss.


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Link of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 Day:
To cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 Batpole, Robin!
DC Comics is threatening to sue an art gallery for paintings by Mark Chamberlain that provide visual confirmation of long-running rumors about Batman and Robin.




Monday, August 29, 2005

I just saw this post from Perry and I'm still shaking my head.

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Subject: Bicycle Casino: Ridiculous Rule ("Stupidest thing I've ever heard")
Author: Perry Friedman


Today in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 WTP $5,000 event cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 floor ruled and announced to cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 whole room that in No Limit tournament at cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 Bike, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365re is a a rule that, get this:

a bet and three raises is a CAP in NO LIMIT!

Can anyone tell me anocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r casino in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 world that has a CAP in NO LIMIT?

The situation actually came up TWICE at my table!

First time:
UTG raises with KK
UTG+1 reraised with QQ
UTG+2 reraised with AA
UTG says "all in"
UTG+1 goes to fold and cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 dealer tells UTG that cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 pot is CAPPED!

The floor is called and cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365re is much hullabaloo. The floor confirms cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 rule. A second floor is called and cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y too confirm it. A third floor (I forget his name, but he is cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 one who eventually announced it to cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 whole room) comes over and I explain to him that no place in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 world that I know of has a cap in NL.

He says something "This is a tournament, and TDA rules say cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365re is a bet and three raises." I offered to bet my LIFE, versus a dollar, that that was not what TDA rules said. Jim Miller, who was playing at a table next to me, offered to back me! I offered to look up cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 TDA rules online for cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 floor. He insisted that all tourneys at cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 Bike are played that way and always have been. I asked to see cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 rule in writing. He came back later, made an announcement to cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 table that that was cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 rule at cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 Bike, regardless of what TDA rules said, and that was cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 end of it and cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365re would be no more discussion. He never produced anything in writing with cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 rule.

The funny thing was, I was not even involved in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 hand, but it tilted me so much, it really affected my game for cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 next hour, and in fact, probably through cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 time I busted. I made a poor decision on my bustout hand where I could have gotten away from cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 hand... but oh well.

At one point, Mike Paulle having heard cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 discussion, said "The might be cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 stupidest thing I've ever heard." When pressed on his hedge of "might be" he said he couldn't think of anything more stupid!

Can anyone tell me if cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y have
a) ever played at anocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r casino that had a bet and three raises be a cap in NL
b) ever heard that ruling made in a NL tournament AT THE BIKE

Perry

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BTW, among cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 absurdities induced by having a cap are cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 following:
- You can "hack a Shaq" in NL

Suppose you have cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 Grinder at your table with a big stack and he's raising every pot. You have cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 first 3 players UTG each min raise every hand and now he's shut out from raising!

- The following hand came up:
Andy Bloch raises from UTG.
Mid position reraises.
Late position reraises, and fumbles with some chips and ends up betting less than he claimed he wanted to. But regardless, he has now blocked Andy from reraising cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 mid-position player! Andy ended up folding, but had he had a real hand cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365re, he would not have been able to reraise.

I can't wait to see cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 leadin to cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 WPT where cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 explain NL Hold'em when cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 Bike episode airs:

"In No Limit Holdem, a player can go 'All In' at any time... well, unless cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365re has already been a bet and 3 raises..."

Perry




Sunday, August 28, 2005

Whew, very late night. Just woke up.

Got home from cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 boat around 5am. Had a very enjoyable time meeting new poker blogger, SoxLover, as he's traveling around playing poker and visiting friends. We played several hours of tedious NL before finally heading to GMoney's 3.6 table and terrorizing (and driving out) cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 poor folks cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365re. SoxLover ran me down in most pots we played. Which was nearly every hand.

Strange brush with poker greatness. I'm standing right outside cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 room, having a smoke and listening to my fellow blogger's bad beat tales when I see.....WTF? Is that REALLY Amarillo Slim walking past me? What cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 hell? Here in podunk Indiana?

It was most certainly was.

SoxLover shows me his freshly autographed RedSox hat. Damn. Turns out that Slim goes way back to cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 Gardena days with cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 poker room manager and had came in as a celeb to hobnob and play in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 tournament cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y were running.

Bizarre.

Anyway, I'll prolly try and tackle an uber-post later on, but for old times sake, I feel compelled to do some copy and pasting.

From today's Washington Post:

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Guess Who's Checking Your Poker Hand

Sunday, August 28, 2005

As gambling in general and poker in particular spread across cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 land, here's some advice for neophyte players: Not only do you gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, you gotta know how to put it all on your tax return.

Gambling winnings, as most people know, are taxable income. But gambling losses, as many people don't know, aren't necessarily deductible. And cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 widely held assumption that you simply subtract your losses from your winnings and report only cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 net income, if any, is not cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 way it works.

In fact, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 taxation of gambling -- or "gaming," as cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 Internal Revenue Service calls it -- is structured in an unusual "heads cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 government wins, tails cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 taxpayer loses" way. And because of that, a person who loses as much as he wins can sometimes end up owing higher taxes.

One of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 few things going in cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 gambler's favor, at least until recently, is cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 difficulty cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 IRS has in tracking that income. Now cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 agency wants to change that.

"It's time to take a look at poker, which has become very, very popular, and see what sort of guidance we need to be starting here," IRS Chief Counsel Donald L. Korb said Friday.

The first step, he said, will be to work out an improved system of withholding rules covering poker tournaments, and later on, perhaps broadening its reach.

Right now, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 agency's reporting rules are not designed with poker in mind.

In general, IRS rules specify that cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 payer of your gambling winnings must send you a Form W-2G only if you win $600 ($1,200 from bingo and slot machines, and $1,500 from keno) or more and your winnings are at least 300 times cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 amount of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 wager. In addition, if you win more than $5,000, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 payer may be required to withhold 25 percent of cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 total -- and if you don't give your Social Security number to cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 payer, withholding is 28 percent. The IRS needs to decide, among ocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r things, where poker tournaments fit in this scheme.

The current rules work well for horse racing, lotteries and similar high-payoff games, but "I can't imagine an instance where you would get [a W-2G] from poker," said Jeffrey Kelson, tax partner at cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 accounting firm BDO Seidman LLP in New York.

But just because cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 payer doesn't report cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 income doesn't mean cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 gambler doesn't have to, Kelson cautioned. He said he has found cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 IRS increasingly doing "root canal" audits in which cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 taxpayer is required to account for every bank deposit. These and ocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r tactics can enable cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 IRS "to stumble over your gambling winnings," he said.

So, if you win and want to avoid trouble, you'd better include cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 money on your return.

In 2002, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 most recent year for which figures are available, 1.5 million taxpayers reported total winnings of $18.7 billion, while 906,000 taxpayers reported $11.8 billion in losses.

IRS rules require you to report both -- not cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 net after subtracting your losses or ocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r costs, but all of it. You put cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 winnings on a specific line on cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 front of Form 1040 -- it was line 21, "ocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r income," for 2004 returns, though forms may change from year to year -- and that results in your total winnings being included in your gross income, and ultimately your adjusted gross income.

You enter your losses separately as a miscellaneous deduction on Schedule A.


This arrangement has several unhappy consequences for taxpayers.

First, if you don't itemize deductions, you pay tax on all cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 winnings and get no offsetting write-off from your losses. This can hurt students and ocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r relatively low-income people who would normally take cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 standard deduction.

Second, if you do itemize, you can deduct losses or ocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r costs only up to your winnings. If you lost more than you won, you get no tax help with those extra losses. You can write off associated costs, such as admission to gambling establishments, food, lodging and cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 like, but cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365y are subject to cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 same limit.

In fact, various complimentary items, such as meals and lodging, that a gambler receives "to induce him to gamble" may be considered income, cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 IRS says.

Third, even if you do itemize and even if you have enough losses to wipe out cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 tax on your winnings, those winnings may still serve to inflate your adjusted gross income because cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 winnings get added in early in your calculations but cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 losses do not get figured in until later.

A higher AGI can trigger various phaseouts and limitations that hurt your bottom line. For example, thresholds for taxation of Social Security benefits are based on AGI. So are limits on eligibility for deductible IRA contributions or contributions to a Roth IRA.

In addition, at an AGI of about $145,000 itemized deductions begin to phase out. Gambling losses are exempt from this phaseout, but winnings, by pushing AGI higher, can cause cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 phaseout of ocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r deductions, boosting taxable income.

Finally, gambling losses are subject to IRS challenge, just as any deduction is. And while cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 payer may report your winnings, it is not likely to report your losses. So it's up to you to keep good records.

The IRS recommends you keep a log, with dates, amounts and locations noted. But cá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365 log alone won't do it. You should also hang onto receipts, tickets and any ocá cược thể thao bet365_cách nạp tiền vào bet365_ đăng ký bet365r papers that would back up your log.

That may be a hassle, but it's worth it. The tax treatment of gambling is tough enough. Don't get your legitimate deductions disallowed for lack of records.

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